I’m voting for whoever the D is, even if it’s a fucking corpse. Brandon should fuck off. Christ on a shitstick, the election is going to hinge on voters at the margins, those fucking morons who can’t decide between an obvious traitor and a declining, yet vastly superior, democratic president. They are the asscunts in whose hands our collective future lies. Brandon isn’t going to save us. Sad as it is, it remains for some charismatic figure to win over those fucking idiots and save the Republic.
how we get shitty choices
people bend over to take it without even asking for their hair to be pulled or some lube or foreplay and beg for more while their ass gapes and bleeds
neither Trump nor Biden have any business in this race and it goes to show that US voting is nothing more than bread and circuses
when has any actual progress happened?
women’s right’s, worker’s rights including living wages, healthcare, environmental policies, police reform, tax reform, education reform
none of this happened the whole of Biden term in office nor in Obama’s or any democrat before that so why would they do anything different now
if all people care about are letters and colors why even have an election we can all just go back to kindergarten while the country burns
Maybe get familiar with reality before you become certain you understand it. I’m not seeing any connection to reality in this comment. I’m seeing someone who decided they know everything but actually knows nothing
We get shitty choices because our political system allows for institutional bribery.
Our choices will forever be limited until bribery is removed for the system.
How do you so consistently have the dumbest takes?
It’s always fascinating to witness, in an age of easily accessible information, not a person who parrots cruel words or malicious ideas, but rather someone who is so wholly and completely ignorant you’d expect them to tell you a story about how they used to live under a rock before some dudes in white coats thawed them from an ice slab.
And hopefully the voters in the margins will refuse to vote for him, why would they support the people that are keeping them marginalized?
Because the only other possible outcome to voting D will be so much worse?
That a DNC problem, they knew Biden was a potato and still refused to primary him.
You advocate electing trump on principle to teach the dnc a lesson?
Yeah, there are a lot of them on here. Ignore the past ten times electing the right-wing candidate didn’t work to sway the DNC to go left, THIS time, with Mr. Day-One-Dictator it’ll totally work out. /s
I’m wondering if there was similar idiocy in the time of Hitler. I know there was literally a “Jews for Hitler” group, so I just bet there were more than a few lefties thinking that having Hitler in power was really going to solve something…
“After Hitler, us”
They you people should have done your damn job and held him accountable instead of going to brunch and ignoring what’s going on.
Oh please you’re sitting here whining from the sidelines like everyone else.
We have 4 options: vote Trump, vote Biden, vote third-party/independent, don’t vote. What do you want us to do come November?
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For one, Biden would have to willingly give up the nomination in order to release delegates already pledged to him.
Factually not true…
The DNC can rewrite the rules before the convention and nominate anyone they want.
As their lawyers have told judges, they’re a private organization that can name anyone as the candidate. That was their defense for accusations that they already rig primaries.
A second problem is the public doesn’t know any other Democrat nearly as well as they know Biden, and it would be difficult to introduce someone to the public at this late date without them being defined by Donald Trump, the Republicans and Fox News in the worst possible ways.
Literally anyone that becomes the Dem nominee will have nationwide name recognition in 24 hours.
The most common reason for voting Biden is “to stop trump” so any replacement shares the most important quality Dem voters want that Biden actually meets.
Like, sure, this would have been so much easier if we had an actual primary and the people closest to Biden hadn’t spent four years hiding him and lying about his mental capabilities. But they didn’t. They kept repeating it was too late for anyone except Biden.
They’re still saying it, but it’s still not true.
Good points. However, I would argue that the DNC would absolutely fuck up picking a new nominee. They would pick some “centrist” unlikeable democrat that would try to appeal to a moderate middle that just doesn’t exist. They would run a flaccid campaign and manage to piss off everybody trying to appeal to everybody. Republicans would absolutely capitalize on the chaos.
In before they nominate fucking Hillary… again. It would be one thing to claim name recognition if people actually liked Biden, but nobody fucking likes Biden. People stomach Biden because the alternative is so much worse. This is why we so desperately need some kind of proportional voting system, literally any kind. The public needs a way of telling the parties “here’s how we feel about these issues” without it being a binary choice between bad and even worse.
Ranked choice voting starts at home. o7
Right
Biden appointed Jamie Harrison, it’s very very unlikely that Jamie Harrison nominates anyone else. And if he does, it will be another moderate that names Jamie Harrison head of the DNC again.
Because the people running the DNC care more about personal political power than stopping trump.
Just like the problem with republicans isn’t just trump, it’s the people behind the scenes that also need addressed.
The problem with the DNC isn’t just Biden, it’s the people Biden put in charge of the DNC.
The party can’t survive without the voters, we’re the important part.
If the DNC refuses to acknowledge that, it won’t be the first time voters left a party behind to die without them.
At a certain point the corruption is bad enough we need to start over. It won’t be easy, but at a certain point it’s the only option.
Be that as it may, with the stakes in this upcoming election, now is (to my deep frustration and chagrin) absolutely not the time.
Okay but… worse than Biden is already doing?
At this point is there anyone, anyone at all, who isn’t merely voting for “not Trump” on the “left”?
Conversely, there are a few on the right who actively like Trump.
And there may be a handful of people - in key spots though - who may vote for a younger candidate?
Thats good for business!
They had a primary in 2020.
Biden won.
When was the last time there were primaries for a party with an incumbent president?
States only had primarys if they were legally required to.
I’m taking about 2020.
When was the last time we had a dicking potato running the country? It’s like everything we’re seeing now is the Biden that’s always been, and that’s what the DNC chose to push on us
We don’t have a potato running the country.
Unfortunately he’s not even that good
He’s amazing compared to the competition.
We should be concentrating on getting a young nominee in for the next election.
I heard that 8 years ago, then 4 years ago, right now, and I’m sure I will hear it again in another 4 years I’m sure.
Instead of being negative, look into the candidates and donate to the ones your like, advocate for them and volunteer your time to their campaigns.
Help with the change you want to see.
Liberal should elect Trump and push him left after the election
This is how I know you’re having a good faith discussion and not trolling.
Still waiting on that pivot?
Good luck with that.
Why would that be easier with Trump?
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Did we not watch the same debate?
I get it, you dislike Biden.
I dislike all POS politicians that serve capital.
At least you’re consistent.
The DNC can rewrite the rules before the convention and nominate anyone they want.
The DNC does not control the Biden/Harris 2024 campaign org, the Biden/Harris ground ops teams including 30 Biden/Harris campaign offices in Michigan alone, the Biden/Harris war chest containing over $100 million, or the Biden/Harris Super PACS.
Biden/Harris can take their ball and go home. And that’s why the DNC won’t replace Biden unless he willingly steps down.
any replacement shares the most important quality Dem voters want that Biden actually meets.
Apart from money and a functioning campaign organization. But who needs that if you’re young, right?
Your post is not true dude. They cannot rewrite the rules like that. Any changes they make would not take effect until the next election.
Listen. Biden is not going to step out. Anyone saying that this is a likely scenario is flat out delusional and has no idea what they are talking about, or they are a Trump supporter trying to sew chaos.
The DNC can rewrite the rules before the convention and nominate anyone they want.
The DNC is an organization stacked with Joe Biden loyalists. And that’s before discussing the fucked vibes of an 11th hour rules rewrite on the eve of what was supposed to be a lay-up nomination. Weeks of people arguing over who gets handed the Prez nod without a single primary vote cast in their name would be an absolute disaster.
Yeah. Just ask the Parliamentarian. /s
Yes, the DNC can change the rules whenever they want. But when your party is supposed to be putting a priority on Protecting Democracy, it’s a bad look to then say “Yeah, we held a bunch of uncontested elections which we are now ignoring the result of”.
You’re missing the context…
They’ve been saying they don’t need to abide by the will of the voters because they’re a private party.
And they’re right
So when they say they can’t use their power to give voters want they want because they’re impartial…
It’s obviously bullshit.
They’re going to do what they want
I am registered as an independent. I would like to vote third party eventually, but this is not the time and I think switching the candidate will backfire. We are playing with fire here. When it comes to voting between keeping a democracy or putting ourselves into a dictatorship, I’m voting for democracy. The people who are “protesting” by not voting or by voting third party this term are advocating for a Trump win. It’s an attempt to divide the party in the same way that they did when Hillary was running. If Trump wins, democracy dies and genocide will be encouraged. Don’t forget, he supported wiping out Gaza and encourages violence against other races, religions, political views, and LGBTQ+ people. He’ll wipe out democracy and everything we’ve worked for over hundreds of years. All the protections put in place against poisoning the planet will be gone and climate change policies wiped out. This man plans to do so much damage.
I’ll be honest. I’m scared of a loss here. I’m trans and with the amount of vitriol Trump and his followers spew, I feel like if I don’t vote this way, I’m getting put in a dangerous situation, as are all LGBTQ+ people and many others. Please don’t fuck around here. Don’t make this about your pride. There is too much at risk here. Vote Biden and keep voting in mid-terms as well. We don’t stand a chance otherwise.
Protesters, if you really want to make a change, run for congress. The only way to make real change is to put more decent critical thinking people in congress.
Lemmy’s IQ is probably above average. We’re all going to vote for the NotTrump party, because the alternative is so much worse. It’s the rest of the country who, honestly speaking, aren’t going to bother.
There’s a fuck ton of clowns here that are not voting.
Some in this thread think that ‘chaos’ would emerge if the party replaced Biden and that would hurt the party’s chance of defeating trump. You are correct that there would be a media frenzy, and weeks of exhaustive, drama chasing coverage. It would absolutely dominate the media narrative, and be pounded into the entire voting population’s psyche. You know what else? That would be a wonderful, wonderful thing. It would totally disarm trump’s ability to drive the media narrative for much of the rest of the election. Whatever deficit that exists of national awareness for the new candidate would be erased very quickly. That candidate would be gifted months of desperate, free, media coverage. It’s actually a great strategy. That being the case, I’m sure the DNC and the party elders will never attempt something so obviously effective since they are terrible at politics and their cowardly approaches to both campaigns and governing are ultimately the reason our democracy is in such an existential crisis to begin with.
The thing that makes folks pull their hair out is that we’ve known Biden has been sundowning for years. But in the run up to the 2024 primaries, we got this endless bullshit gaslighting of “Actually I think he’s at the top of his game, never better!” articles coming out of the Dem establishment and Dem-friendly media.
So he ran virtually uncontested. And then he spent three months doing photo-ops with Dark Brandon laser eyes, trying to get people pumped up for November. And then he explicitly demanded a debate with Trump before the conventions were even held. And then this shit happened.
Now there’s no normal democratic mechanism to pick a replacement candidate. So we’re either stuck with Biden or we get some smoke-filled room full of superdelegates and mega-donors to make the decision. And that’s what will fuck up the Dems’ chances in November. You’re talking about putting a guy on the ballot who never even went through the primary. Someone whose sole qualification was Biggest Insider Suck-Up. Someone who will have to square off against a legitimately popular candidate in a year when “Democracy is on the line!” is a thing the Democrats are asserting.
It’s actually a great strategy.
Its a fucked strategy, because the easiest line of attack on this new person is “Who the fuck is this asshole and why didn’t they compete in a primary back in January?”
I’m sure the DNC and the party elders will never attempt something so obviously effective since they are terrible at politics
Holding a coronation rather than a primary was the DNC’s big mistake. Now its too late. There are no savvy brilliant moves left to play. You’re stuck with this lame duck through November.
Regardless of whether we stay with Biden or someone new is chosen (God, what a shitshow that will be - though depending on the discussions behind the scenes, it may be the best course)…
Vote Dem on the presidential ticket this November. Biden or his replacement. Doesn’t matter.
You’ve got a guy who tried the first autocoup in US history on the ballot, and a good 48% of the electorate who wants him back in. Not even getting into the myriad other problems.
Don’t play fucking games here.
The pod save America group had a mini debate about the issue.
Two key things: A new candidate allows Dems to sidestep the Gaza issue A new candidate means the age issue vanishes.As to ‘its just a bad debate’ - it is the worst presidential debate in modern history. That’s a tough thing to climb out from.
Imo, I hope one of the candidates die from natural causes before the conventions and sidestep this craziness altogether.
Absolute best case scenario, Biden dies of natural causes and Trump rots in jail. Only concerning thing in that scenario is that I’m not convinced Trump being in jail is enough to stop the morons from voting for him.
No, best case is Biden kicks it and Trump has a massive stroke on stage at a rally, that leaves half his face dropping and him unable to speak. Anything short of him being completely mentally disabled and disqualified from the ballot isn’t enough. Prison will never stop his run even if he’s sentenced.
THE DERP STATE PUT CHEMICALS IN THE WATER AND MADE TRUMP HAVE A STROKE ITS EVEN WORSE THAN WE THOUGHT IF THEY CAN GET TO HIM THEY CAN GET TO YOU NO OME IS SAFE YOUR FAMILY IS IN IMMEDIATE HARM JUST LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO THE SMARTEREST MAN ALIVE NO OME IS SAFE UOU ARE IN DAMGER VOTE FOR TRUMP TO FINALLY STOP THE DERP STATE ONLY BY VOTING FOR DUMP CAN WE FINALLY SaVE AmERicA FROM THE CLUTCHES OF TYRRANY AT THE HANDS OF THE VILE BIDEN CRIME FAMILY.
These people live in their own delusional fantasy land and literally nothing will change their minds. My own father thinks Trump had a stunning performance at the debate and is literally enraged at me and everyone around him for not voting for dump. Donald trump is the sole source of truth for him. I’m pretty sure ol Donnie could say the sky is purple and the moon is fake and my dad would believe him.
Yes, totally agree, his supporters will make up all sorts of unhinged conspiracy theories, but it won’t change his medical inability to execute to the duties of the POTUS. We just need some solid article 25 material.
I’m not sure donnie dying just before the election would be enough. Chances are if he gets the hamburger from heaven they find a way to have junior serve out donnie’s term or something…
And it’s not just a single debate, it’s a thing people will recognize from their own elderly relatives’ declines. They’ll be sharp as a tack at some times and in some situations and in others they’ll be confused and incoherent. There’s no reason to believe this is a one-off incident that won’t reoccur publicly during the next 4 months. We’ve already been seeing some questionable senior moments that have been brushed aside as being out of context or just some simple mistake unrelated to age. Who really believes those narratives after seeing the debate?
As to ‘its just a bad debate’ - it is the worst presidential debate in modern history. That’s a tough thing to climb out from.
Not to mention, there’s only 2 debates. Best Biden can do now is 1-1.
